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Maptalk-Digest Thursday, December 25 1997 Volume 97 : Number 552

American Health for Women Magazine 100% pro mmj
    From: Mark Greer <>
Re: LTE to  the Sun Sentinel
    From: Mark Greer <>
SENT FOCUS #50 Sun Sentinel
    From: Mark Greer <>
Re: FOCUS Alert #50 Sun Sentinel
    From: Mark Greer <>
Re: Re: LTE to  the Sun Sentinel
    From: "Clifford Schaffer" <>
Something distressing
    From: Gerald Sutliff <>


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Subj: American Health for Women Magazine 100% pro mmj
From: Mark Greer <>
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:29:04 -0800

Thanks Lyn;

I posted this to our chat group maybe someone can find it and we'll get the
article posted.

At 08:41 PM 12/23/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hey Mark..I wasn't sure who to adress this to. I just picked up this months
>American Health for Women Magazine and it gives the results of a poll they
did
>as to whether marijuana should be legalized for medical purposes and the
>results were 100% in favor 0% opposed..now I'm not sure how thei research was
>conducted ..but i thought it was interesting....lyn
>
Mark Greer
Media Awareness Project (MAP) inc.
d/b/a DrugSense 

http://www.DrugSense.org/
http://www.mapinc.org

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Subj: Re: LTE to  the Sun Sentinel
From: Mark Greer <>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 07:29:50 -0800

Thanks Curt:

Good job and happy holidays.

At 12:05 AM 12/24/97 +0000, you wrote:
> Mark,
>     Here is a copy of a letter I sent to the Sun Sentinel.I sent it via
their 
>letter form at the SunServe URL.
>
>   Albert Einstein...1921...
>
>   " The prestige of government has undoubtly been lowered considerably by
the 
>prohibition law.For nothing is more distructive of respect for the
government and 
>the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforeced.It is an
open secret 
>that the dramatic increase in crime in this country is closely connected
with this".
>   After reading James Driscoll's veiw on how he thinks the Drug War
should be 
>handled,then taking Einstein's veiw which is coming from a man of
undisputable 
>intelligence,I would have to conclude that what Mr.Driscoll proposes would
only 
>create more of what he claims he is trying to stop.
>    Abe Lincoln...1840...
>   "Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason that it attempts to
control a man's 
>appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not
crimes.A 
>prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our
government was 
>founded".
>    Now looking at Mr.Dricoll's comments from Lincoln's perspective I'd
have to say 
>that they apply to the "going beyond the bounds of reason"and "strikes a
blow at the 
>very principles upon which our government was founded",part of his
statement.       
>    Prohibition is the formula for crime and violence.It is an
unreasonable approach 
>to what is not a crimminal issue but, a health issue.By making a crime out
of things 
>that are not crimes it has taken a health problem and turned it into an
epidemic.  
>    Don't take my word for it,take it from Albert Einstein and Abe
Lincoln.They 
>certainly have more integrity and were more intelligent than myself and
without a 
>doubt more so than the feeble minded Mr.Driscoll.
>    A vote for prohibition is a vote for crime and violence.
>
>   Curt Wagoner
>   La Pine,Oregon
> 
>
>
Forwarded by
Mark Greer
Media Awareness Project (MAP) Inc.
d/b/a DrugSense

http://www.DrugSensemapinc.org/

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Subj: SENT FOCUS #50 Sun Sentinel
From: Mark Greer <>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 08:18:00 -0800

>
>
>To:  From: Robert Ryan
<> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1
(32) Subject: Drug War or Peace X-Sender:  Date:
Wed, 24 Dec 97 15:55:37 +0000
>
>Dear editor,
>
>I read your recent editorials and articles on the drug war with interest.
Some of what you propose will only serve to make the Drug War even more
violent and profitable.  It is time to sit back and think, really think
about what we are doing.  For example the justification for the drug war
against marijuana has no basis in science or health.   There is no major
government study that supports the government's position on marijuana.
>
>The real reason for the continued drug war is much less tangible than a
scientific study. The fundamental reason that we have a drug war is that
some people think it is immoral to use drugs. I urge you to investigate for
yourself the origins of our drug laws concerning marijuana.
>
>Please consider the following questions. Is it more or less moral to drink
a beer or smoke tobacco than marijuana? Is morality an appropriate
justification for the destruction that the drug war produces? Is it moral
to kill innocent civilians in our zeal for zero tolerance? Is it moral to
enter citizens' homes and arrest them for smoking a plant? Does a plant
like marijuana have inherent evil properties? Did God make a mistake when
he created marijuana?
>
>The Drug War is a failure. It is time to end this self destructive war on
our own people, starting with the repeal of marijuana prohibition. I firmly
believe that people need to be responsible for their actions and the
resulting consequences of their actions. We need to start a honest open
dialog on how to best implement drug law reform. I do not support or
condone drug abuse, but what we are doing today is wrong.
>
>Sincerely
>
>Robert R. Ryan 522 W. College Ave Salisbury. MD 21801 410-860-0890

>
>
>
Mark Greer
Media Awareness Project (MAP) inc.
d/b/a DrugSense 

http://www.DrugSense.org/
http://www.mapinc.org

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Subj: Re: FOCUS Alert #50 Sun Sentinel
From: Mark Greer <>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 08:18:19 -0800

Good Job Randy! Perhaps longwinded is what these turkeys need. They are
among the worst I've seen.

At 05:45 AM 12/24/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>FOCUS Alert #50           December 22, 1997
>>
>Sent this long-winded retort to the Sun-Sentinal's Message Board:
>
>James Driscoll's declaration of "cival war" against drugs not only
>disappointed me, it angered me. No new ideas here; just more of the same
>fear-mongering, inflamitory "reasoning" that has propelled us through 80
>years and nearly one trillion dollars of a failed "war on drugs."
>The drug problem in America is a replay of alcohol prohibition, pure and
>simple. It is made possible not merely by "addict demand" or "dealers;"
>drugs are there because large numbers of Americans want them, just like
>they did alcohol many decades ago. The rampant crime and corruption are a
>result of widespread demand, and will continue, just as they did in the
>"roaring 20s, because money feeds every American institution, and drugs are
>a huge industry.
>If America learned anything in the 20s it was that PROHIBITION DOES NOT
>WORK. We tried everything, increased enforcement budgets, greater penalties
>- people continued to drink, get drunk, suffer deliuium tremors, kill
>people on the highways. America finally ended prohibition not because they
>decided alcohol was good, but because they learned - the very same people
>who demanded it - learned that prohibition DOES NOT work. Prohibition is in
>fact the ultimate lie, the ultimate paradox, because it allows both sides
>to have their way;  the dealers flourish through corruption and crime, and
>the prohibitionsts continue to fight their "moral" war. Who suffers? The
>addict caught in the middle, demonized and despised, paying exorbitant
>prices for tiny amounts of drugs; and of course the American taxpayer who
>continues to pay $billions per year adinfinitum, while the problem grows
>ever worse, and the public confidence in government and politicians
>continues to wan.
>Driscoll's comments about the "twisted logic of legalization" are pure
>entertainment, suggesting that an opiate addict couldn't drive a car. When
>it comes to physical damage to the human body, alcohol and cigarettes reign
>supreme. Yet we demonize drugs like marijuana that have little or no
>deletrious effects. How many people do pot smokers murder on the highways
>each year? Has Mr. Driscoll answered this question? If a person wanted to
>live longer, he or she would be well advised to quit drinking and take up
>marijuana.
>
>Since the beginining of civilization, man has always used "drugs,"
>including alcohol, to "escape" the stresses of life, and will never change,
>whether it be alcohol or other less harmful drugs, like marijuana.
>Prohibition ALWAYS compounds the problem, because when a government acts to
>control what people do with their own bodies, that produces immediate
>resentment and rebellion in any intelligent, spirited person, especially in
>the young. Hence the "illicit thrill" of drug use will always be present.
>
>The 18th ammendment ended a terrible, cynical time in our country's
>development and returned honesty back our government and society. It's time
>to do the same with other drugs. This is life, not a new "civil war"
>fantasy.
>
>R.Vlahos
>
>
>
Mark Greer
Media Awareness Project (MAP) inc.
d/b/a DrugSense 

http://www.DrugSense.org/
http://www.mapinc.org

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Subj: Re: Re: LTE to  the Sun Sentinel
From: "Clifford Schaffer" <>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:08:40 -0800

Just for the record, the Lincoln quote is dubious.   There is a page on my
site devoted to the quote and, in short, it appears that it was made up
circa 1910, and was not actually said by Lincoln.  See Historical
References.

  Of course, I don't think Driscoll knows enough about the subject to know
that.  Apart from that little nitpick, it's a good letter.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Greer <>
To:  <>
Cc:  <>
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 1997 9:04 AM
Subject: MAP: Re: LTE to the Sun Sentinel

>Thanks Curt:
>
>Good job and happy holidays.
>
>At 12:05 AM 12/24/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> Mark,
>>     Here is a copy of a letter I sent to the Sun Sentinel.I sent it via
>their
>>letter form at the SunServe URL.
>>
>>   Albert Einstein...1921...
>>
>>   " The prestige of government has undoubtly been lowered considerably by
>the
>>prohibition law.For nothing is more distructive of respect for the
>government and
>>the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforeced.It is an
>open secret
>>that the dramatic increase in crime in this country is closely connected
>with this".
>>   After reading James Driscoll's veiw on how he thinks the Drug War
>should be
>>handled,then taking Einstein's veiw which is coming from a man of
>undisputable
>>intelligence,I would have to conclude that what Mr.Driscoll proposes would
>only
>>create more of what he claims he is trying to stop.
>>    Abe Lincoln...1840...
>>   "Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason that it attempts to
>control a man's
>>appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not
>crimes.A
>>prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our
>government was
>>founded".
>>    Now looking at Mr.Dricoll's comments from Lincoln's perspective I'd
>have to say
>>that they apply to the "going beyond the bounds of reason"and "strikes a
>blow at the
>>very principles upon which our government was founded",part of his
>statement.
>>    Prohibition is the formula for crime and violence.It is an
>unreasonable approach
>>to what is not a crimminal issue but, a health issue.By making a crime out
>of things
>>that are not crimes it has taken a health problem and turned it into an
>epidemic.
>>    Don't take my word for it,take it from Albert Einstein and Abe
>Lincoln.They
>>certainly have more integrity and were more intelligent than myself and
>without a
>>doubt more so than the feeble minded Mr.Driscoll.
>>    A vote for prohibition is a vote for crime and violence.
>>
>>   Curt Wagoner
>>   La Pine,Oregon
>>
>>
>>
>Forwarded by
>Mark Greer
>Media Awareness Project (MAP) Inc.
>d/b/a DrugSense
>
>http://www.DrugSensemapinc.org/
>

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Subj: Something distressing
From: Gerald Sutliff <>
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 08:33:47 -0800

I just read the following and wonder, "Is it really that bad?"
(op/ed in the San Jose Mercury News)
>>It is hard to overestimate the importance of religious/social
>>conservatives to the modern GOP. In 1994, the year Republicans
>>seized control of Congress, exit polls showed that evangelical
>>Christians were one of the two groups most likely to vote (the other
>>was gun owners). Grover Norquist, the battle-tested conservative
>>strategist, calculates that religious conservatives accounted for one of
>>every three voters nationwide -- and that more than two-thirds of
>>them voted Republican.
>>
vty, jerry sutliff

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