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Maptalk-Digest Sunday, December 19 1999 Volume 99 : Number 537

Re: MAP: Anyone have a snail addy for J Judy?
    From: Jim Rosenfield <>
Re: MAP: Anyone have a snail addy for J Judy?
    From: "Dave Michon" <>
A poll, 'net cast, etc.(FWD): HighTimes Magazine's  VS  The White House 
    From: Richard Lake <>
Re: CNN Spreads more Prohibitionist Propaganda
    From: Richard Lake <>
Marijuana prohibition is bad medicine
    From: R Givens <>
Fw: Thanks Dave!
    From: "Dave Michon" <>


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Subj: Re: MAP: Anyone have a snail addy for J Judy?
From: Jim Rosenfield <>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:18:03 -0800

At 08:51 PM 12/16/99 -0600, Dave Michon wrote:
>I'd like to get a hard copy of my letter to her. Thanks
>Dave

  JUDGE JUDY: 1-888-800-JUDY (5839)
P.O. Box 949
Hollywood, CA 90078

Judge Judy

In Los Angeles, she is broadcast by
KCAL
t.323-467-9999
5515  Melrose Ave
Hollywood 90038
f. 323-960-3827

Programming Dept: 323-960-3610

Produced by Big Ticket Television
1438 N. Gower St., Bldg. 35, 3rd flr,
Los Angeles, CA 90028
323-860-7400
323-468-4176 Fax
Production: 323-860-7400
Bruce Kerner, Production Supervisor.  Assistant is Mark.
publicist: Mellissa Harold

323-860-0200

Jim Rosenfield                            
tel:  310-836-0926                       fax:  310-836-0592
Visit http://www.insightweb.com

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Subj: Re: MAP: Anyone have a snail addy for J Judy?
From: "Dave Michon" <>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:02:01 -0600

Thanks a lot Jim!
Dave
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Rosenfield <>
To: Dave Michon <>; Map Talk <>
Date: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: MAP: Anyone have a snail addy for J Judy?

At 08:51 PM 12/16/99 -0600, Dave Michon wrote:
>I'd like to get a hard copy of my letter to her. Thanks
>Dave

  JUDGE JUDY: 1-888-800-JUDY (5839)
P.O. Box 949
Hollywood, CA 90078

Judge Judy

In Los Angeles, she is broadcast by
KCAL
t.323-467-9999
5515  Melrose Ave
Hollywood 90038
f. 323-960-3827

Programming Dept: 323-960-3610

Produced by Big Ticket Television
1438 N. Gower St., Bldg. 35, 3rd flr,
Los Angeles, CA 90028
323-860-7400
323-468-4176 Fax
Production: 323-860-7400
Bruce Kerner, Production Supervisor.  Assistant is Mark.
publicist: Mellissa Harold

323-860-0200

Jim Rosenfield                            
tel:  310-836-0926                       fax:  310-836-0592
Visit http://www.insightweb.com

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Subj: A poll, 'net cast, etc.(FWD): HighTimes Magazine's  VS  The White House 
From: Richard Lake <>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:56:39 -0500

The poll is at the top of the web page listed below under a vote! button.
It asks more questions than the average net poll.

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Subj: Re: CNN Spreads more Prohibitionist Propaganda
From: Richard Lake <>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:30:00 -0500

Not sure that it is junk science - Steve Kubby had so characterized it.

However, there is already debate on the discussion lists about it.

The abstract of the report is at:

http://aacr.edoc.com/cep/v8n12/ce001071.html

Would be great if someone could get a hard copy and OCR it. MAP would
gladly post it to the news.

California NORML is pointing out that they always have believed there was
some danger in smoking marijuana, pointing to this page:

http://home.igc.org/~canorml/healthfacts/healthmyths.shtml

Richard

p.s. I do believe that the Reuters news story is best called "yellow
journalism" written because it was marijuana simply to be a scare story -
without any attempt at balance.

At 09:14 AM 12/18/1999 -0800, H. Couch wrote:
>Richard,
>
> If you get a minute...  :)
>
> Why is this reasearch 'junk science'? (I don't disagree.)
>
> I agree that "it is the research that needs to be evaluated". For example,
>is anyone funding this study.
>
> If anyone does look into this "study" please post what they find. Of
>course, by then it will be old news and the damage has been done.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Herb
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
>
>>Hi, Norm and Friends
>>
>>Of course CNN headline news carried the story, which was distributed by the
>>wire services also. It was presented as real research - so they had no
>>reason not to.
>>
>>But I would not agree that CNN is a regular source of prohibitionist
>>propaganda, at least not when we look at the track record of the other
>>major U.S. networks.
>>
>>Having watched CNN's track record since their coverage in Dec. 96 of the
>>Kzar's 'Cheech and Chong' medicine press conference, when for of their
>>shows provided extensive coverage that more than balanced the Kzar's press
>>conference - with respected experts that did not agree with the Kzar thru
>>to today, I find that CNN on the balance is critical of the WoD more often
>>than not.
>>And significantly more often than the other networks.
>>
>>In this case it is the research that needs to be evaluated, not the media
>>which carried the story. Indeed, the wire service versions of this story
>>are even more frightening. Our job should be to show the media why this
>>research is 'junk science' - as they really had no way of evaluating the
>>public announcements of the research quickly, IMHO.
>>
>>I think a fair number of CNN's really good shows may be in the CRRH video
>>archives.
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>>At 01:43 PM 12/17/1999 -0800, Norm wrote:
>>>Holiday Greetings from BC:
>>>
>>>CNN Headline News is doing it again - spreading prohibitionist
>>>propaganda. They are reporting every 30 min that Marijuana causes Cancer
>>>and that Pot users should look out for signs of the disease. Nothing new
>>>here - CNN has been dedicated to spreading reefer madness for years.
>>>
>>>Most serious war crime in the war-on-pot: James Geddes - serving 90
>>>years for possesion of 5 (I'm NOT kidding) pot plants. James Geddes Case
>>>can be found at the human rights website:http://www.hr95.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>On a lighter note: I have an unconfirmed report that whoever posted
>>>message 30,000 gets a fun filled weekend in Amsterdam with General Barry
>>>McCaffrey.
>>>
>>>
>>>				"PEACE"
>>>
>>>
>>>				 Norm Siefken
>>>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subj: Marijuana prohibition is bad medicine
From: R Givens <>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:31:25 -0800

Sent to
The Des Moines Register
Post Office Box 957
Des Moines, Iowa 50304
  

R. Bruce Upchurch's typical drug crusader disdain for truth spews out 
too many Reefer Madness lies to rebut in a short letter, so I'll 
focus on some scientific errors in Upchurch's propaganda.

Upchurch's demand for "vigorous scientific testing" is a deception 
because marijuana has been studied far more than any other drug ever 
approved for public use. Over 12,000 peer reviewed scientific 
investigations of cannabis have been made. Most of the "medical" 
research concerning marijuana has been a failed effort to prove that 
cannabis use causes injury of some kind. Unfortunately for Reefer 
Maniacs like Upchurch this research produced exactly the opposite 
results. No evidence of harm sufficient to ban marijuana for any use 
has ever been discovered.

That's why DEA Administrative Law Judge FRANCIS L. YOUNG ruled that 
"Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically 
active substances known to man.  By any measure of rational analysis 
marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical 
care." (SEP 6  1988) The recent Institute of Medicine report on 
medical marijuana echoed Judge Young's ruling by stating "Until a 
non-smoked, rapid-onset cannabinoid drug delivery system becomes 
available, we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for 
people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by 
smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting."

Upchurch's assault on marijuana becomes completely insane when he 
advocates Marinol which is nothing more than THC, the main active 
ingredient of cannabis.  The question is why THC in a pill is safe 
while THC in its natural form is dangerous.  It's like saying that 
Vitamin C in a tablet is OK but vitamin C in an orange is worthless. 
That's the twisted logic of prohibition.

Upchurch's assertion that marijuana has "precisely the same impact as 
heroin on key brain [functions]" is pure fiction. The "science" Barry 
McCaffrey fails to cite (Scripps and the Spanish studies) actually 
disproves the notion that marijuana is addictive because withdrawal 
symptoms can only be produced by injecting lab rats with RU-210 for a 
couple of weeks and then injecting them with SR 141716A, which 
artificially shuts down the THC receptors.  Without injecting SR 
141716A, there would be no "withdrawal." The last I heard, there 
weren't any marijuana users shooting up with RU-210 for days at a 
time and then using SR 141716A to induce a sudden cold turkey 
"withdrawal." Therefore, this curious discovery only applies in 
laboratory settings.  Why do McCaffrey and Upchurch try to deceive 
the public?

Mr Upchurch's obvious deceptions about marijuana are typical drug 
crusader  propaganda about marijuana. The plain truth is that there 
never has been a valid reason for prohibiting marijuana for 
recreational or any other use.
Redford Givens
San Francisco
415-776-1596

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Subj: Fw: Thanks Dave!
From: "Dave Michon" <>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:29:43 -0600

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- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd Hartley <>
To: Dave Michon <>
Date: Saturday, December 18, 1999 1:54 PM
Subject: Thanks Dave!

The Future of Talk Radio Has Solutions Written All Over It!
Dave,

I got This e-mail and wanted you to know that I'm going to read it latter
today.

Have a great day my friend!

Thank you for your support!

Todd Hartley
Your Resolutionary Host
An American Resolution Talk Radio Show
www.anamericanresolution.com

(480) 970-8342

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Michon <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 11:43 AM
Subject: Drug War

> I support most of the High Times editor's conclusions but he does not
> address true addiction sufficiently in his proposal. This is the work I am
> engaged in as an advocate for the rights of addicts and a medical
approach.
> ( www.geocities.com/mmtwatchdog)
> Addicts, true addicts, drive much of the demand for drugs, particularly
the
> drugs society is most concerned about, i.e., heroin, cocaine, etc. Addicts
> are the true casualties of the Drug War, they take fire from all sides.
> ONDCP will soon announce a revamp of the regulations for the Methadone
> Maintenance Treatment (MMT) 'system' in America. It will claim to be based
> on accreditation but will actually result in managed-care for opioid
> addiction, a disaster in the making.
>   To Steve Hager's common-sense I would add that we should return to the
> complete medicalization of addiction which we had in the old days. This
> should be our first line of defense against macro drug-harm. When a person
> has come to the conclusion that their addiction is incurable, after
> good-faith efforts at 'abstinence-based treatments,' that addict should be
> permitted the medical-maintenance of the drug to which they are addicted
> under the care of addictionologists. All else is pseudo-moralistic folly
and
> is merely "Boob-Bait for the Bubbas" (to borrow a phrase from Sen.
> Moynihan).
>   Concurrently, this country should launch a "War on Addiction," a
> 'Moon-Shot' level effort to find a cure, a true cure, for addiction. You
can
> coerce, convince or cajole an addict to quit drugs temporarily - they do
it
> all the time themselves, but the addiction still remains and will reassert
> itself while, for the nonce, it manifests itself in other destructive
ways.
>   Medicalization of addiction will not send "the wrong message" to youth
> either. Rather, it will demystify the use of hard drugs and abrade the
> cachet of underground rebellion which draws young people towards the
taboo.
> Addicts will go from being cool counterculture and underground figures in
> Tarantino movies to what they really are: the victims of a horrible
syndrome
> that is poorly understood and is the purview of doctors rather than
> black-hooded agents of the police. Free-clinics and doctor's visits are
not
> the stuff of teen rebellion fantasies.
>   This is what we should do and we should do it immediately. The Clinton
> administration is about to drop the ball while it has the methadone
> regulations open and on the table. It's also the President's last chance
to
> redeem his pledge of "treatment on demand."
> Dave Michon
> Methadone Watchdog
> www.geocities.com/mmtwatchdog
> N. 5187 Cyclone Lake Rd.
> Spooner, WI 54801
> 715/ 635-2766
>
>

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The Future of Talk Radio Has Solutions Written All Over It!
Dave,
       
I got This e-mail and wanted you to know that I'm going to read it latter today.
 
Have a great day my friend!
 
Thank you for your support!
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Michon <>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 11:43 AM
Subject: Drug War

> I support most of the High Times editor's conclusions but he does not
> address true addiction sufficiently in his proposal. This is the work I am
> engaged in as an advocate for the rights of addicts and a medical approach.
> ( 
http://www.geocities.com/mmtwatchdog">www.geocities.com/mmtwatchd">www og)
> Addicts, true addicts, drive much of the demand for drugs, particularly the
> drugs society is most concerned about, i.e., heroin, cocaine, etc. Addicts
> are the true casualties of the Drug War, they take fire from all sides.
> ONDCP will soon announce a revamp of the regulations for the Methadone
> Maintenance Treatment (MMT) 'system' in America. It will claim to be based
> on accreditation but will actually result in managed-care for opioid
> addiction, a disaster in the making.
>   To Steve Hager's common-sense I would add that we should return to the
> complete medicalization of addiction which we had in the old days. This
> should be our first line of defense against macro drug-harm. When a person
> has come to the conclusion that their addiction is incurable, after
> good-faith efforts at 'abstinence-based treatments,' that addict should be
> permitted the medical-maintenance of the drug to which they are addicted
> under the care of addictionologists. All else is pseudo-moralistic folly and
> is merely "Boob-Bait for the Bubbas" (to borrow a phrase from Sen.
> Moynihan).
>   Concurrently, this country should launch a "War on Addiction," a
> 'Moon-Shot' level effort to find a cure, a true cure, for addiction. You can
> coerce, convince or cajole an addict to quit drugs temporarily - they do it
> all the time themselves, but the addiction still remains and will reassert
> itself while, for the nonce, it manifests itself in other destructive ways.
>   Medicalization of addiction will not send "the wrong message" to youth
> either. Rather, it will demystify the use of hard drugs and abrade the
> cachet of underground rebellion which draws young people towards the taboo.
> Addicts will go from being cool counterculture and underground figures in
> Tarantino movies to what they really are: the victims of a horrible syndrome
> that is poorly understood and is the purview of doctors rather than
> black-hooded agents of the police. Free-clinics and doctor's visits are not
> the stuff of teen rebellion fantasies.
>   This is what we should do and we should do it immediately. The Clinton
> administration is about to drop the ball while it has the methadone
> regulations open and on the table. It's also the President's last chance to
> redeem his pledge of "treatment on demand."
> Dave Michon
> Methadone Watchdog
> http://www.geocities.com/mmtwatchdog">www.geocities.com/mmtwatchd">www og
> N. 5187 Cyclone Lake Rd.
> Spooner, WI 54801
> 715/ 635-2766
>
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