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Maptalk-Digest Thursday, December 30 1999 Volume 99 : Number 546

Re: MAP: RE: Gott in Himmel! Gud i himmlen.
    From: Richard Lake <>
Why poles are going bad-FRC,ONDCP,PDFA,etc!
    From: Larry Seguin <>
Re: MAP: Why poles are going bad-FRC,ONDCP,PDFA,etc!
    From: Involuntary <>
MJ poll
    From: PAT <>
RE: Gott in Himmel! Translation
    From: "Richard Dahlman" <>
Cop Spam: Sniffing DPR Lists
    From: "Don Beck" <>


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Subj: Re: MAP: RE: Gott in Himmel! Gud i himmlen.
From: Richard Lake <>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:24:30 -0500

Oh, yes, indeed. You can access babbelfish from any MAP news page, at the
bottom. Unfortunately this is not a supported language.

At 08:17 AM 12/29/99 -0800, Mark Greer wrote:
>There used to be a babbelfish translation link on the DrugNews archive 
>page. Not sure where it is now but Matt will know
>
>At 08:33 AM 12/29/1999 -0600, Don Beck wrote:
>>Hey Thanks Terry!
>>
>>Man, I need, if there's any way possible, to get a real comprehensive
>>translation of the whole message. I hope to get one of DrugSense's or MAP's
>>or DPFT's radio/TV experienced guys on the Norse airwaves. All suggestions
>>welcome. Thanks again.    don
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:  []
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 5:28 AM
>>To: 
>>Subject: Re: Gott in Himmel! Gud i himmlen.
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 12/29/99 5:04:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>>writes:
>>
>>
>><<
>>
>>  Vil med dette ønske alle dere der ute et riktig godt nyttår.
>>  Vet at jeg maser og alt, men jeg spurte i sommer om å få intervjue en av
>>  dere INN menneskene. Men ingen av dere svarte. Så jeg spør på nytt, er det
>>  noen som er villig til å stille opp i et intervju? Om dere ikke kan møte i
>>  Oslo - så kan vi godt ta det over telefon eller internett. Det bestemmer
>>  dere.
>>
>>  Jan-Eirik Persen
>>  Ungdom Mot Narkotika UMN >>
>>
>>He wishes everyone a Happy New Year and asks if there is someone avaiable to
>>give an interview to INN -- Norwegian TV or radio either in Oslo or over the
>>phone or Internet.  He doesn't say what about -- although presumably about
>>drug policy.  UMN his organization.  The words mean Youth against drugs.
>>
>>Terry O'Neill
>
>
>
>Mark Greer
>Executive Director
>DrugSense
>
>http://www.drugsense.org
>http://www.mapinc.org
>
>
>

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Subj: Why poles are going bad-FRC,ONDCP,PDFA,etc!
From: Larry Seguin <>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:52:56 -0500

Below is from pages 12,13,and 14, from booklet by Family Research Council(FRC)
801 G Street N W
Washington, D C 20001
202-393-2100
fax 202-393-2134
Legislative Hotline 202-783-home
order Line 1-800-225-4008
http://www.frc.org
I think FRC,ONDCP,PDFA,Hazelden, and others get the free maptalk and alerts
then forward to there people so they can do ltes againest us and counter
the poles.Maybe you all know this anyway! The booklet is done by: Robert L.
Maginnis, FRC's senior director for national security and foreign affairs.
I think I read he is a retired col. from armed forces?
Note STUDY YOUR OPPONENTS section. There is 12 other pages of the most
ignorant things you can imagine.This is part of the booklet free to everyone.
Maybe some one should go to there sites for free newsletters and alerts and
post with maptalk, but if they know who repost to maptalk they will delete
them from there list. Does this make any sense????
Larry S ;)

                            What To Do?

Medical marijuana has become a state issue requiring local action.  There
are a host of actions that can help local groups to stop future medical
marijuana referenda.  Even though federal anti-drug laws trump state
referenda, these groups must be careful not to assume that the federal
government will come to their rescue.  The federal government is tied up in
court cases and has shown little willingness to become decisively engaged
in state initiatives.

Consider the following actions that can help turn the tide on medical
marijuana.
  IDENTIFY A LEADER AND/OR A COALITION.  The first and most important
action is to form or identify a statewide grassroots organization.

	IDENTIFY KEY MEMBERS OF YOUR TEAM.  Study every aspect of this issue and
identify those uniquely qualified to be public spokespersons.  It is
especially important to identify medical doctors willing to participate and
informed for the debate.  Attorneys familiar with the state constitution
and drug laws must also play key roles.  Law enforcement and educators
should be part of your team.  Most critical are parents who are tightly
concerned that legalizing drugs will negatively influence children.

	EDUCATE YOUR PUBLIC.  Develop and air public sevrvice announcements.  Send
you team to civic and community group meetings to inform the public.
Enlist the drug treatment community and school-based drug counselors to
join the educational battle.  Produce a short video documentary that
includes interviews with parents and their children hurt by drug abuse and
physicians who comment on the need to provide quality health care that
excludes crude marijuana.

	INVOLVE CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS.  Most civic organizations look for community
service opportunities.  Show them why actively opposing marijuana as
medicine leads to better business, safer highways, lower social costs, and
drug-free children.

	STUDY YOUR OPPONENTS.  Study their material via the Internet and subscribe
to their publications.. Go to their events.
	
	PERSUADE THE MEDIA.  Go early to you local media outlets and sell them on
your position.  Ask them how they will help.

	POLL VOTERS.  Your opponent will use polling information to give
credibility to his position.  You need to beat him to the punch.  Craft
your polls both to clarify the issue and to ascertain people's thinking.
Use the polling data in letters to the editor, in your brochures, and in
speeches and debates.

	RECRUIT MEDICAL ASSOCIATIONS.  The medical community must strongly oppose
crude marijuana as medicine if for no other reason than that it distorts
the proven scientific process.  Doctors should want to give their patients
pure, properly dosed medicine.

	FINANCE YOU EFFORTS.  This is perhaps the most difficult challenge.  You
already know that you opponents will have access to out-of-state deep
pockets.  You must be prepared to counter them with a combination of
preemptive work and grassroots action.  It will also be helpful to have the
means to counter their media blitz that inevitably comes in the weeks just
prior to the referendum vote.

	INVOLVE THE FAITH COMMUNITY.  They need to understand the moral issues
involved with drug abuse.  They also need to appreciate the facts about
marijuana as medicine.  Most importantly, they need to understand the
impact that marijuana is having on the local community.

	INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT.  Each community has DARE counselors who should
address the use of marijuana as medicine in its schools.  Encourage law
enforcement officials to make public statements opposing medical marijuana.

	INVOLVE GOVERNMENT ANTI-DRUG GRANTEES.  Anti-drug federal grantees are not
prohibited fro speaking against the abuse of illegal drugs.

	PASS STATUTES TO PROHIBIT INITIATIVES THAT WOULD VIOLATE FEDERAL LAW.
Federal laws prohibit the use of marijuana except in a few limited
situations.  State laws that permit marijuana as medicine stand opposed to
federal statutes.

	CHECK POLITICAL GIFTS OF PRO-DRUG DONORS.  Political giving has been known
to influence policy positions and decisions.  Expose the facts about
pro-drug political gifts.

	CHALLENGE SIGNATURES ON MARIJUANA INITIATIVES.  You have the right as
citizens to insist that your secretary of state validate every signature on
a ballot initiative.  This tactic helped the people of Colorado defeat
their 1998 initiative.

	INSIST THAT YOUR LEGISLATURE HOST A HEARING TO REVIEW PROPOSED
INITIATIVES.  You should build a team of respected witnesses to testify
before your legislature to explain why marijuana must not become an
approved medicine.

	LINK ISSUES FOR PUBLIC AWARENESS.  Advocates fo medical marijuana are
often associated with other issues.  For example, marijuana advocate Dennis
Peron is a "gay" activist.  Pornographers like Larry Flynt support medical
marijuana.  George Soros is an assisted suicide advocate.

	EXPOSE POSSIBLE LIABILITIES.  For instance, marijuana-as-medicine could
create liability problems under the Americans with Disabilities Act for
transportation, business, education, law enforcement and many other
professions.  The Supreme Court is now considering an ADA case of twin
sisters who want to be pilots for United Airlines and are saying that their
extreme nearsightedness should be considered a disability protected against
employment bias.  Can a state deny employment to a school bus dribver,
teacher, or police officer who uses marijuana as medicine?

	INVOLVE PARENT-TEACHER ORGANIZATIONS.  The PTA needs to learn that
marijuana as medicine encourages children to abuse drugs.

	INVOLVE THE YOUTH.  One of the best ways to influence adult voters is
through their children.  Television advertisers have long understood the
influence that children have on parents.

                           CONCLUSION

Communities across America face an assult from those who would legalize
marijuana.  Don't be hoodwinked by claims that sick and dying people need
marijana.  They don't.  They need good medicine, which our doctors have
available for every ailment marijuana allegedly helps.. Most of all,
parents must defeat the pro-drug lobby's message that marijuana is
medicine, because this propaganda contrbutes to the false perception that
marijuana is a harmless drug.

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Subj: Re: MAP: Why poles are going bad-FRC,ONDCP,PDFA,etc!
From: Involuntary <>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:27:57 -0600

On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:52:56 -0500, Larry Seguin <>
posted article <>, which
said:

> Note STUDY YOUR OPPONENTS section. There is 12 other pages of the most
> ignorant things you can imagine.This is part of the booklet free to everyone.
> Maybe some one should go to there sites for free newsletters and alerts and
> post with maptalk, but if they know who repost to maptalk they will delete
> them from there list. Does this make any sense????
> Larry S ;)

It might not make any sense but it proves that we're winning because we
don't have to resort to censorship to get the job done.  There's no need
for censorship.  The facts speak for themselves, at least if you get all
the facts presented in a way that's not so deceptive, such as the case
with Barry McAffrey saying that drug use has a social cost of $110
billion per year.  What he conveniently failed to mention is that most
of that money is used to track people down and keep them in jail.  For
most of the people, simply being in possession or using was the only
thing they were doing.  The vast majority were not hurting anyone else.
Therefore the cost of the drug war is the result of the current
structure of the laws.

So if a group of prohibitionist list owners is so desperate to have
their way that they must mute the voice of people who are just trying to
play by the same rules, then the prohibtionists are going to eventually
lose because the true facts will eventually surface.

Ty

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Subj: MJ poll
From: PAT <>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:14:07 +0000

I just voted from my home pc.......

The "No" numbers changes instantly after voting.  This thing is still
rigged!

Pat

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Subj: RE: Gott in Himmel! Translation
From: "Richard Dahlman" <>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:23:40 -0000

> -----Original Message-----
> From:  []On
> Behalf Of Don Beck
> Sent: 29 December 1999 10:04
> To: Richard Lake (E-mail); MAPTalk-posts (E-mail)
> Subject: MAP: Gott in Himmel! Need translation help.
>
>
> Can anyone help me with this? It looks angry. I can but hope.  don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan-Eirik HOTMAIL" (by way of Richard Lake <>)
> []
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 5:48 PM
> To: 
> Subject: LGL-NORGE: Med ønsker om et godt nyttår :)
>
>
>
> Vil med dette ønske alle dere der ute et riktig godt nyttår.

I hereby wish everybody out there a really happy new year.

> Vet at jeg maser og alt, men jeg spurte i sommer om å få intervjue en av
> dere INN menneskene. Men ingen av dere svarte.

I know that I have ??? everything, but I enquired in the summer about
interviewing one of you 'in' people, but none of you replied.

> Så jeg spør på nytt, er det
> noen som er villig til å stille opp i et intervju?

So, I am asking again, is there anyone who is willing to come forward for
interview?

> Om dere ikke kan møte i
> Oslo - så kan vi godt ta det over telefon eller internett. Det bestemmer
> dere.

If you cannot meet in Oslo, we can do it over the telephone or Internet. You
will decide.

>
> Jan-Eirik Persen
> Ungdom Mot Narkotika UMN
>
> ******************
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efen.oslo.
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UNGDOM MOT NARKOTIKA UMN
Kampen for et svakere samfunn - mot egoisme!!
E-post: <

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Subj: Cop Spam: Sniffing DPR Lists
From: "Don Beck" <>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:12:19 -0600

Nobody will be surprised to learn that the law enforcement "community"
monitors our email lists, but this proves to me that some of them use
automated harvesting of email addresses as well. I don't have a site, but I
have posted messages on our lists lately containing my address and the word
"interview." I notice there's no opt-out message in this spam and would like
to know if this is legal. Thanks and regards,  don

- -----Original Message-----
From:  []
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 6:47 AM
To: 
Subject: Introducing A New Interviewing Method

Hi,

Are you interested in being able to interview people better?

If so, please check out the new interviewing method that's
taking the law enforcement community by storm.

I was at your site and I noticed that we have similar interests.
I wanted to email you, introduce myself and possibly offer some
assistance. I have a new web site called Focused Interviewing
that puts forth an innovative new method for interviewing anyone
about anything. Designed for law enforcement professionals (and related
fields),
the site explains the whole system.

Please check out the site and, if you like it, feel free to add a link
from your page to our Focused Interviewing resource page.

I would love to hear from you and get your comments on my page,
so please email me back with your thoughts.

My site address is

    http://www.focusedinterview.com

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks,

Chip Morgan



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