Maptalk-Digest Tuesday, December 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 457
001 O-T: 'Lott: A Man Outa Time' Poll
From: "Dave Michon" <>
002 Richard Cowan's latest gambit in the War Against Czars
From: Bar n Grill <>
003 Richard Cowan's latest gambit in the War Against Czars
From: Bar n Grill <>
004 Results of Student Drug Testing and My Response
From: Bar n Grill <>
005 Re: [drugwar] New drugwar ad: 'Circular logic'
From: Tim Meehan <>
006 US: A Weed by any other name smells the same
From: Tim Meehan <>
007 Prosecutor: Parents beware of teens with pacifiers
From: "Klobas, Joshua" <>
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Subj: 001 O-T: 'Lott: A Man Outa Time' Poll
From: "Dave Michon" <>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:16:22 -0600
http://www.msnbc.com/news/847736.asp
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Subj: 002 Richard Cowan's latest gambit in the War Against Czars
From: Bar n Grill <>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:16:07 -0800 (PST)
Steve: Sorry, the last post should have noted that "I"
below is Richard himself, not me, Steve.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yesterday, I emailed all of the major Canadian media
the following:
Official Data Prove That John Walters and the Canadian
Police Association Are Lying About The Size Of
Canadian Cannabis Exports To US.
From Richard Cowan
December 12, 2002
The Globe and Mail web site today quotes US Drug Czar
John Walters as saying, "Canada has become a major
supplier of certain drugs….We have major supply coming
in from Canada that's growing and we need to get on
top of it."
However, the US Drug Enforcement Administration’s own
web site says, "Virtually all the marijuana smuggled
into the United States, whether grown in Mexico or
shipped through Mexico from lesser sources such as
Central America, is smuggled across the U.S./Mexico
Border."
In fact, twice as much marijuana was seized in one
day, December 3rd, at Laredo, Texas, than was seized
at the BC/Washington State border in an entire year.
The only hard data that we have suggests that Canada
provides less than one percent of the US cannabis
supply.
Sources for all this and more, is online at
http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=606
You should also know that the penalty in the state of
Ohio for possession of one hundred grams – more than
three times the amount provided for in the supposedly
"liberal" Canadian reform – is only $100. Has
marijuana been flooding across Lake Erie into Canada?
See
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4557
In Maine, there is only a fine of $200 to $400 for
possession of 1.25 ounces. Is marijuana smuggled into
Canada from Maine?
See
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=penalties&Group_ID=4541
Similarly, in California, with a population greater
than Canada’s, one ounce is subject to a fine of only
$100.
See
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4525
Why should the Canadian government have to punish its
citizens more harshly than do major US states in order
to please John Walters?
The Canadian people need to know that the US Drug Czar
is lying, and the Canadian Police Association is
helping him.
Sincerely,
Richard Cowan
MarijuanaNews.com
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Subj: 003 Richard Cowan's latest gambit in the War Against Czars
From: Bar n Grill <>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:14:58 -0800 (PST)
Yesterday, I emailed all of the major Canadian media
the following:
Official Data Prove That John Walters and the Canadian
Police Association Are Lying About The Size Of
Canadian Cannabis Exports To US.
From Richard Cowan
December 12, 2002
The Globe and Mail web site today quotes US Drug Czar
John Walters as saying, "Canada has become a major
supplier of certain drugs….We have major supply coming
in from Canada that's growing and we need to get on
top of it."
However, the US Drug Enforcement Administration’s own
web site says, "Virtually all the marijuana smuggled
into the United States, whether grown in Mexico or
shipped through Mexico from lesser sources such as
Central America, is smuggled across the U.S./Mexico
Border."
In fact, twice as much marijuana was seized in one
day, December 3rd, at Laredo, Texas, than was seized
at the BC/Washington State border in an entire year.
The only hard data that we have suggests that Canada
provides less than one percent of the US cannabis
supply.
Sources for all this and more, is online at
http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=606
You should also know that the penalty in the state of
Ohio for possession of one hundred grams – more than
three times the amount provided for in the supposedly
"liberal" Canadian reform – is only $100. Has
marijuana been flooding across Lake Erie into Canada?
See
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4557
In Maine, there is only a fine of $200 to $400 for
possession of 1.25 ounces. Is marijuana smuggled into
Canada from Maine?
See
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=penalties&Group_ID=4541
Similarly, in California, with a population greater
than Canada’s, one ounce is subject to a fine of only
$100.
See
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4525
Why should the Canadian government have to punish its
citizens more harshly than do major US states in order
to please John Walters?
The Canadian people need to know that the US Drug Czar
is lying, and the Canadian Police Association is
helping him.
Sincerely,
Richard Cowan
MarijuanaNews.com
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Subj: 004 Results of Student Drug Testing and My Response
From: Bar n Grill <>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:45:55 -0800 (PST)
Some of you might have seen this thread if you follow
our daily news feed at MAP. It's a bit off the radar,
as are most of the student drug-testing stories.
Seems the Hartselle AL folks forced thru a student
drug testing policy for extra curricular participants
this fall. The tests were administered in Oct and
early Nov and the results were released in late
November. However the school superintendent would not
release the numbers. The local paper editorialized
and said it was urgent we know the gravity of the drug
problem(s) in the Hartselle schools. At that time I
submitted an LTE where I suggested that perhaps the
results were NOT showing high drug use, but instead
showed low use and therefore were a huge overkill.
Well, hey, seems maybe I had something. Here's the
latest story released last week, followed by a guest
column I submitted.
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US AL: Drug Tests Yield Six Positives
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02.n2258.a10.html
Newshawk: chip
Pubdate: Thu, 12 Dec 2002
Source: Hartselle Enquirer, The (AL)
Copyright: 2002 Hartselle Enquirer
Contact:
Website: http://www.hartselleenquirer.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/1884
Author: Leada DeVaney, Hartselle Enquirer
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/testing.htm (Drug
Testing)
DRUG TESTS YIELD SIX POSITIVES
School Officials Say Number of Positive Results Below
Predictions
Hartselle City School's first round of drug testing
netted six positive results, a number lower than what
experts had warned the school board to expect.
Dr. Lee Hartsell released the results of the drug
tests on Monday. The results were available last
week, but Hartsell said he would not release then to
the media before they were presented to the school
board. Alabama law requires all such documents to be
made available to the press and the public.
The result show that of 941 students tested, six
tested positive. The majority of those positive tests
came from nicotine or tobacco use.
Board members said they were told positive results -
especially for schools testing for nicotine use -
could be as high as 13 percent.
The lower numbers were a positive sign, according to
board member Jeff Gray.
"Even one positive test is too many, but these are
promising numbers," he said. "There are well below
some of the other systems."
The tests were conducted on all Hartselle system
students involved in extra curricular activities.
Students were tested for alcohol, narcotics and
tobacco.
Random tests will be conducted in the future.
Hartsell said those results will be give to the board
on a monthly basis.
The most recent tests were done in three stages:
a.. The first stage was conducted Oct. 18 at
Hartselle High School. There were 607 negative tests
and 3 positive tests. Of those three positive tests,
two were for nicotine and one was positive for
marijuana.
a.. Second stage was Nov. 6 at Hartselle High
School. Two-hundred and eighty students were tested
with 278 negative results and two positives. Both of
the positive results were for nicotine.
a.. Random testing was conducted at both the high
school and junior high on Nov. 25. Thirty-four
students were tested at the high school with only one
positive result. The test showed marijuana in the
student's system. Seventeen students were tested at
the junior high and none were positive.
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So after breathlessly waiting weeks for school
superintendent Lee Hartsell to release the student
drug-testing results, we got the answers last
Wednesday. And after all the discussion about how
urgently a student drug-testing program was needed, we
learn that a grand total of TWO students from 941
tested positive for marijuana in their bloodstreams.
What can we conclude from this?
First, we know that as many as 939 students were
brought into the presence of a strange adult and
commanded to urinate into a cup as a demonstration
that they do not use illegal drugs. (Well at least in
the previous 48 hours for most drugs). It's likely
that most if not all these 939 students objected prior
to their forced body expulsion, offering comments
like, "I don't know why I need to pee into a cup. I
don't use illegal drugs."
This claim was then met with a reply of, "We don't
care if that's what you say. We don't believe you and
we demand you provide evidence via a sample of your
urine. This is all for YOUR own good."
Or if we're feeling a tad cynical after this whole
process, we might consult the results of the
Monitoring the Future drug use survey just released
yesterday by the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human
Services. This survey tells us that nationally, 30%
of 10th graders have used marijuana in the past year,
while almost half of 12th graders have used one or
more illicit drugs. These numbers might be a bit less
in Hartselle, but barring an astonishing statisical
deviation, it simply tells us that there's likely a
couple hundred students of the supposedly 'clean' 939
who are simply aware how to easily beat a drug test.
For drugs other than marijuana that simply means
abstaining for about 24-48 hours. For pot, it means a
couple of weeks doing without, or one can speed up the
process by consuming one of a variety of over the
counter body detoxifiers. In either case, a negative
drug test has told us literally nothing about the real
numbers of Hartselle teens that are using illicit
drugs. It does admittedly provide a counterfeit
emotional solace to those adults who want to 'do
something....anything' to help protect their teens
from experimenting with drugs. But don't our teens
deserve better from us as adults than our endorsement
and support for such an obviously flawed procedure?
From either conclusion, we can accurately deduce that
wasting valuable school time on coerced student drug
tests is a farce to all concerned. It's time we
returned the focus to honest non-judgemental
communciation between adults and teens and such
interaction is never helped by forcing one party to
demonstrate their purity via a urine test.
- -30- (473 words)
Respectfully submitted,
Stephen Heath
Public Relations Director
Drug Policy Forum of Florida
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Subj: 005 Re: [drugwar] New drugwar ad: 'Circular logic'
From: Tim Meehan <>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:55:26 -0500
Here it is:
http://boss.streamos.com/real/federal/aspen/ploy.smi
More here:
http://www.mediacampaign.com/mg/television.html
Ick. They're getting desparate.
- -Tim
>This one just ran...I saw and heard it.
>
>Two guys eating.
>
>1: So we're supposed to believe that drug money funds
>terrorism?
>
>2) Yes.
>
>1) Why do we take that for granted?
>
>2) Because it's a fact. F-A-C-T, fact.
>
>1) And because you say that, I'm supposed to believe
>it.
>
>2) Yes.
>
>Guy #2 looks remarkably like J Walters.
- --
"First, they ignore you. Tim Meehan
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win." -- Gandhi http://www.ocsarc.org
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Subj: 006 US: A Weed by any other name smells the same
From: Tim Meehan <>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:57:16 -0500
Source: Christian Science Monitor (US)
Contact
Website: http://www.csmonitor.com/
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Address: One Norway Street, Boston, MA 02115
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Copyright: 2002 The Christian Science Publishing Society
URL: http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1216/p09s01-coop.html
Pubdate:from the December 16, 2002
A weed by any other name smells the same
By Jim McDonough
TALLAHASSEE - Big excitement has hit the drug legalization world. A
recent RAND Drug Policy Research Center study reported that marijuana
may look, act, and smell like a gateway drug to abuse of harder drugs,
but that possibly it is not a gateway drug after all.
The marijuana normalizers - as in, "let's make marijuana use normal,
or acceptable" - loved it; so did some of the press. Both were quick
to misportray the study, so much so that the author of the study
himself was dismayed.
Andrew Morral of RAND believes he did everything he could to explain
he did not disprove the gateway theory but, as he told me, "The story
about it misrepresented both our findings and my comments about the
relevance of our findings to US drug policy. RAND and I have taken
pains to emphasize that we do not believe we have disproved the
gateway theory."
The study did say that a high incidence of progression from marijuana
to heroin and cocaine use is apparent; that the younger you are when
you start using marijuana, the more likely you are to end up using
cocaine and heroin; that the more often you use marijuana, the more
likely you will use cocaine and heroin.
In short, the study shows the correlation between marijuana and other
drug abuse to be high.
Indeed, the study accepts previous studies that have demonstrated the
probability that heroin and cocaine use increases 85 times for
marijuana users when compared with those who are not marijuana users;
that early teen use of marijuana is even more highly correlated with
other drug use than late teen marijuana use; and that the more puffs
of marijuana you take, the more likely you move on to injections and
snorting of even more dangerous drugs.
But here's where the misunderstanding begins. The study says that
maybe these terrible things happen because the people who use all
these nasty drugs do it because they have a propensity for drug use,
and marijuana is the first illegal drug to present itself to the
young.
Dr. Morral calls that the "common factor" theory.
In other words, all drug users like all drugs; marijuana just comes
along first. He suggests that this theory might be more accurate than
the gateway theory.
But is a gateway not a gateway because it happens to present itself in
front of where you want to go?
Perhaps this study's findings appear trivial. They aren't. If
marijuana is merely the door through which those inclined to use drugs
pass because it is convenient, all the more reason to keep that door
locked.
I'm convinced that's the best way to view Morrall's findings, because
the pro-marijuana lobby and much of what the press missed in this
study, as well as other careful studies, were findings that suggest:
=95 There is a strong correlation between marijuana and other drug
abuse, with marijuana almost always occurring first.
=95 Marijuana, all by itself, is a dangerous drug.
=95 There is a strong correlation between marijuana use and
schizophrenia.
=95 Marijuana itself is addictive.
=95 Youth marijuana use correlates highly with violence, truancy, and
other behavioral problems.
=95 The younger the marijuana user, the more psychological and
physiological damage done, and the more likely that other drugs will
follow.
=95 Smoking three marijuana joints a day can cause the equivalent
respiratory damage associated with 20 cigarettes a day. Marijuana
smokers show significantly more respiratory symptoms than people who
don't smoke it.
=95 Prolonged use can cause attention deficit and deterioration in
memory.
Over the years, I have talked with hundreds of addicts and treatment
counselors. They say that marijuana was virtually always the beginning
of a long, ugly journey; that marijuana is the most insidious of the
illegal drugs because of the seductive, but often wrong, rationale
that you can quit any time you want; that easy access to marijuana is
a major part of the problem; and that their lives would have been far
better if marijuana had been out of the picture.
As we do more studies, we might turn to these people for insight.
So what of the utility of the "common factor" theory over the
"gateway" theory? A weed by any other name still smells the same.
=95 Jim McDonough is director of the Florida Office of Drug Control. He
previously served as director of strategic planning at the Office of
National Drug Control Policy.
- --
"First, they ignore you. Tim Meehan
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win." -- Gandhi http://www.ocsarc.org
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Subj: 007 Prosecutor: Parents beware of teens with pacifiers
From: "Klobas, Joshua" <>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:41:36 -0800
This is a little dated, but I thought we could all do with a good laugh or
two. Be sure to write the very, very special writer Sue Kramer and her
editors a thank-you note at http://www.pacpub.com/site/news.asp?brd=1091.
Sue appears to have a problem discerning fact from propaganda, and I have
the feeling that her articles (yes there are many like this one) are
actually cries for help.
A deluge is in order.
website:
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=5901295&brd=1091&PAG=461&dep
56010&MaxRows=2&StartRow=1
Prosecutor: Parents beware of teens with pacifiers
By: Sue Kramer , Special Writer 10/31/2002
TRENTON - "Aside from all the problems you might have if your daughter is
raped or sexually assaulted in some ugly fashion, kill yourself if you ever
let your kid go to a teen night at an adult club.
"There is absolutely no reason on the face of the earth to have teen
nights except to encourage kids to learn how to drink or put yourself in a
situation where there's all kinds of dope - (they're like) open-air drug
supermarkets."
With these chilling words, Terrence P. Farley, first assistant Ocean
County prosecutor and director of the Ocean County Narcotics Strike Force,
addressed some local Municipal Alliance members at the 12th annual
Governor's Alliance Summit Oct. 21.
Mr. Farley, a well-known advocate for the prevention of substance abuse,
gave the alliance members, which included Jason Fuhr of West Amwell and
South Hunterdon Regional High School nurse Liz Hendricks, some critical
information on a widely available and used club drug.
"If you see your child over age 2 or anybody up to about age 35 with a
pacifier around their neck, or on a bracelet or carrying it in some other
conspicuous way, you can pretty much be assured that person is using
Ecstasy," Mr. Farley said. "It's the No. 1 piece of paraphernalia in Ecstasy
use. The reason being that Ecstasy causes tremendous contractions of the
muscles, especially of the jaw. It causes grinding of the teeth and intense
pain.
He added, "So we see the kids carrying two things, pacifiers and/or blow
pops, and they put them between their teeth to stop the grinding."
Ecstasy (MDMA) has been around four to five years in this country. It is
a synthetic drug made from highly toxic chemicals. When ingested, it causes
the brain to release large amounts of seretonin, the chemical that allows
people to feel moods such as joy, love, sadness, etc. Following that
release, the body stops the production of seretonin, causing major
depressive states, which hit about three days after use.
One of the latest studies, in fact, projects some grim figures. Done in
England, it reports hundreds of thousands of teens worldwide "will have to
live on Prozac, literally, for the rest of their lives because they would
not be able to produce seretonin" without it, Mr. Farley said.
When it first was introduced into this country, Ecstasy was fairly easy
to spot.
"It always was in the size and shape of an aspirin or pill," he said.
"They had some kind of design or logo on them and were in a couple of
different colors. Today, we see every size, color, shape and design you
could imagine."
Just last year, Ecstasy was confiscated in the form of green shamrocks in
a club in Ocean County, "in advance, of course, of St. Patrick's Day," he
said. "And the red hearts for Valentines Day and the Santa Clauses for
Christmas."
Ecstasy also is manufactured to look like breath-freshening mints (and
can be carried undetected in the tiny plastic breath mint containers),
aspirin or vitamins. It can be found stamped with the Calvin Klein or any
one of more than 400 other pirated logos, and it also can contain one or
more additional illegal drugs.
Mr. Farley said the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) estimates 2 million
Ecstasy pills are smuggled into the United States every week. Of that
amount, 750,000 Ecstasy pills are filtered into what is referred to as the
New York-Jersey Shore corridor, the area from New York City to Cape May.
This occurs, he emphasized, every week.
With the prevalence of Ecstasy and other club drugs such as the
hallucinogenic, ketamine, an animal anesthetic also known as "K," "Special
K," "Kit Kat" and LSD, the most powerful hallucinogenic known, which is
commonly referred to as "acid," one can only wonder what teens experience at
a rave or teen club. Mr. Farley described the typical scenario.
"Your son or daughter, 13 years old, goes to a rave," he said. "A rave is
a party with techno music that might last six, eight, 10 hours, up to three
days. Sometimes it's in a legitimate forum, in a nightclub, in a theater or
sometimes in an abandoned factory or barn where there's 50 to 60,000 kids.
I've seen them look like Woodstock."
In all likelihood, he said, the first thing the teens will encounter will
be people selling heavy vinyl balloons, like the ones that are sold in
parking lots at rock concerts. The cost is about $5.
"That's their first hit of the night," he said. "That's nitrous oxide, an
anesthetic.
"Now as you enter whatever this venue is, you're going to be literally
accosted within seconds to minutes, to buy 'E,' ecstasy, 'K,' ketamine, 'G'
for GHB; you name it. It's just rampant in the places where teen-agers will
congregate.
"The key to all this is techno music - 200 to 300 bass beats a minute
just banging the brains out. The kids are so stoned they will get up against
(super large speakers) and let it bang their head all night. They're called,
'speaker treatments.'"
The girls will be scantily dressed, sometimes reminiscent of the hippie
era of the '60s, he said. Teen boys, who usually arrive later in the
evening, may be dressed only in baggy pants and shoes. The a reason for the
dress, he said, is "because one immediate side effect of Ecstasy is that it
blows up your body temperature."
The dress, though, is only one telltale sign. The other, he said, is they
will be all be sweating profusely.
Ecstasy can raise the body's temperature as high as 110 to 111 degrees,
something that isn't too unusual in Ecstasy deaths. He recalled a case of an
Ecstasy overdose victim, the only case in history, where the victim's body
temperature was still 108 degrees two hours after their death.
"You're going to see bottled water all over the place," Mr. Farley
continued.
Water can run as high as $14 per bottle at major events.
The first thing Ecstasy does, he continued, is cause the user to vomit.
"So the first thing you see on the floor is a lot of vomit," Mr. Farley
said. Then you see a lot of water, between the drinking of the bottled water
and the sweat, because the user's body temperature is rising to 105 degrees
or higher. They boil their internal organs, that's what's happening. It's an
incredible death for these kids."
Along with the vomit and sweat, Ecstasy use also causes incontinence so
users urinate not only on themselves, but the floor. It also causes
uncontrollable defecation.
"They call that 'disco dumping,'" Mr. Farley said.
To make matters worse, "Most of the clubs shut off the water in the
bathrooms - in the toilets and in the sinks - so they'll have to buy water
from them. The places are dirt holes to start with," he said. "Now we have
the sensation that kids love with Ecstasy, the openness they feel. Kids
feel, as shy as they are, that they can talk to anybody about anything."
The feeling of openness and wanting to communicate is enhanced by the
techno music and the glow sticks that are seen everywhere.
"Something in the color of the glow sticks," he said, "makes the high
higher. The other thing it does is that it gives them a change in their
tactile sensation. It makes you want to be touched, and it makes you want to
touch other people."
Ecstasy also enhances sex drive, but Mr. Farley points out, young men
quickly find out that "the more they use it, you get a lot of drive and no
ability to go anywhere. Consequently, we're now seeing a phenomenon where
kids are buying thousands and thousands of Viagra tablets over the Internet
and combining them with Ecstasy."
According to Mr. Farley, Ecstasy and Viagra, in combination with amyl
nitrate, sprang up first in gay communities "and thousands of gays across
the world died from it."
The problem was so severe clubs in San Francisco used to post warning
signs, cautioning people not to mix these three drugs.
"Now young kids everywhere are mixing them," he said.
The combination of the three causes blood pressure to suddenly drop to
zero, causing instant death.
"You hit the floor, and nobody can save you under those circumstances,"
he said.
Ravers, at this stage of "partying," are now high on at least one drug
and may have lost control of both their bladder and bowels. They are dancing
on a floor that is smeared with water, vomit, urine, sweat and defecation,
guzzling water and sweating profusely. Now, because of the effects of
Ecstasy, they want to touch and be touched. And the boys have taken their
"performance drugs."
"Now you have all this stuff on the floor," Mr. Farley said, "and they
call it 'cuddle puddles,' because now, I'm going to grab five or six
friends, strangers, guys, girls, and we're going to sit down and make out in
the cuddle puddles, or 'rave sludge' as it's called. These are just little,
wonderful side effects."
But the effects of the party drugs don't stop once the party is over, he
said. They continue for days. After being at a Saturday night teen party or
rave, getting high on Ecstasy, which is possibly combined with other drugs,
and, at the very least, dancing all night, the user usually spends all day
Sunday in bed.
By Monday morning, a school day, the user is still "'cracked out,'" a
term coined by crack users to describe the worst way you could possibly feel
- - "the worst feeling you could imagine, that's two days later," he said.
He added, "And then the terrible depression starts in on Tuesday, and we
call that 'Suicide Tuesday.'"
The most chilling aspect of these drugs is the attitude of the users.
"The kids who understand this, know it and expect it," Mr. Farley
asserted. "They're not afraid of dying from it. Kids know that these party
drugs are deadly enough that that they can kill them on any one occasion,
and yet they'll go out to a club, go out to a rave, go out to a party, and
they'll write on the palms of their hands - E, G, K - the street names of
the drugs so that in case they're passed out or in need of medical
attention, the doctors can just look at the palms of their hands to confirm
what put them in that condition."
He added, "When kids are willing to do that, you'd better get to them as
early as possible because our kids have no fear, and they never have. If we
don't start getting into the lower grades - fourth, fifth, sixth - we're
just going to keep on losing generation after generation of Americans."
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