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MAPTalk-Digest Friday, December 12 2008 Volume 08 : Number 087

001 Ending Drug Prohibition Step III REPEAL NOT REFORM
    From: R Givens <>
002 Re: Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul for Drug Czar
    From: "Herb" <>
003 Obama To Legalize Marijuana (The Spoof!)
    From: "Herb" <>
004 US: Marijuana Legalization Tops List of Questions for Obama in Online P
    From: Allan Erickson <>


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Subj: 001 Ending Drug Prohibition Step III REPEAL NOT REFORM
From: R Givens <>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:16:37 -0800

There is no merit in any part of America's drug crusade, so demand 
complete repeal.

Decriminalization is not a workable solution. Allowing the arrest of 
drug dealers leaves things in the hands of criminals. Criminal 
control of illegal drug markets is where America's "drug problems" 
come from. Like Alcohol Prohibition the cure is much worse than the 
disease.

Convincing legislators that the drug laws need repealing is not the 
hard part. From what I've heard  quite a few people in Congress 
believe repeal is the solution to the drug war. Getting them to act 
is the hard thing. They do not act out of fear of being branded "soft 
on crime."

The real problem is showing these cowards how to get rid of drug 
prohibition with very little risk.

First off tell them to put the blame somewhere else. Not on a who, a 
what-  a commission study of the drug war that makes policy 
recommendations, with regulation to be examined, will be a good 
scapegoat for any for any sniping counter attacks.

The set up is easy. The pols go to the public saying -"The drug 
crusade is NOT working. We need a CHANGE. This study by independent 
scientists from Harvard, Yale, MIT, UCLA et al will show us the best 
way to go. In six months we will put their recommendations into law."

There can only one result of any independent rigorous study of the 
drug war- drug prohibition is a failure and regulation is the best 
course to follow. (Every major study condemns the drug crusade.)

When the results come in the pols blame the study for repealing the 
drug laws- "We did what the science says!" will be their alibi.

Do not allow the DEA, FDA, NIDA etc to have anything to do with this study.

Don't fall for the gradualist line - decriminalization today - 
legalized marijuana tomorrow  -  then we'll get to the heroin and 
cocaine- etc

It will never happen because a new administration will be in power 
before this timeline delivers.

We have the best opportunity to end drug prohibition right now. The 
best way to end drug prohibition is with a sudden lethal blow.
R Givens

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Subj: 002 Re: Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul for Drug Czar
From: "Herb" <>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:50:07 -0800

R Givens,

* my comments

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R Givens" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: MAP: Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul for Drug Czar

> If we want CHANGE in drug policy we need to get the right people into
> positions of power.

* Okay.

> Let's stop the kidding around and insist on a true exponent of CHANGE
> to run the drug war. We need REPEALERS not go-along get-along
> politics.

* Okay.

IMHO > Ron Paul won't even be considered.

Dennis would be a good choice but he is likely a long longshot.

I get the feeling that Obama wants to show everyone that he is NOT some 
radical legalizer.

Relax America, he may be "black" but it will be mostly business as usual.

> Just allowing medical marijuana is NOT enough. Decriminalization is NOT
> enough.

* OK

> Marijuana should be legal for adult use. That means we stop arresting
> users AND growers AND dealers.

* What is your definition of an adult?

What will adults do with non adult users?

> Regulate the marijuana industry and put some taxes into the system.
>
> We must not compromise on this fundamental point when there is so
> much more that needs to be done.

* OK

as long as my personal garden is not taxed.

> If we cannot end marijuana prohibition during the Obama
> administration, we'll never do it.
> R Givens

* Never say never.

It could take longer than during the Obama Administration.

One never knows.

We shall overcome, SOMEDAY.

There is now a better opportunity to make progress in the USA.

The sooner, the better!

Go for it.

Herb Couch

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Subj: 003 Obama To Legalize Marijuana (The Spoof!)
From: "Herb" <>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:16:18 -0800

it makes perfect sense to me...

Herb Couch

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Obama To Legalize Marijuana (The Spoof!)

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i44898

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Subj: 004 US: Marijuana Legalization Tops List of Questions for Obama in Online Poll
From: Allan Erickson <>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:54:43 -0800

Marijuana Legalization Tops List of Questions for Obama in Online Poll
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/december122008/barack_cannabis_12 
- -12-08.php

ae
http://morningdonut.blogspot.com/
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